Christina: Welcom to the Taking the Lead podcast where we empower people to be unstoppable. I'm Christina Hepner with my co-host Leslie Hoskins. While Timothy is off enjoying a nice vacation. Thankfully though it is sunny today when we are recording. So, you know, I can't be too mad that I am not
Leslie: on vacation as well,
I know, and his trips are mostly vacation too. So he, he is getting to enjoy that. And I, and rightfully so. Timothy is so flexible and really drops everything to join us to record this podcast all the time. So he deserves his, his vacations. Yes. His
Christina: time off is much needed. Yes. I know my family, um, my parents are like down in Florida and they.
Sending us pictures every day in our group text and we're
Leslie: all like, what? You know why I can't wait to get to that age? Because my parents also have been in Florida for about a month and they just got back and I saw them this weekend and they were like, it's so cold. And I was like, it is beautiful. Right?
Yeah. It's like forties and [00:01:00] sunny here. We've been holding out forever for this weather.
Christina: Seriously, I've been getting outside cuz I. I don't wanna
Leslie: be inside. You have to be outside. It's been so nice to let the kids get outside. Go for walks, running the fresh air. Yeah. Um, and then my husband and I, we really enjoy house projects, so we, we can't sit still, which is actually unfortunate for us.
But yeah, we redid our r redoing the backsplash in our kitchen, the tile. Ooh, fun. Never done it before. So it looks so good though. I'm so excited about
Christina: it. Yeah. You're gonna have to show me a picture. I wanna see it. I know, I know. I'm like house hunting, which is fun. It's fun. It's, it's definitely a process.
It's not like I am going into it. I'm excited, like looking at the different houses. I, I have not found, you know it yet, and I think I'll know when I'm like, yes, that's it. But it's cool cause I'm learning like what I like and what I don't like and then like thinking about decorating and it's just, I mean, it's a fun process.
Everyone always is like, oh, it's so [00:02:00] stressful. But I'm thankfully in a good situation to where, like where I live right now, I'm month to month. Yeah. So like, it's not like I have to sell a house. So I think that would make it more stressful. .
Leslie: It's exciting. That's a perfect spot to be in because when we sold our house last year, right?
Yeah. It was like crazy market. We had to sell our house first and then start looking for a house. Yeah. And that was really stressful. Even though like we, our realtor was wonderful and we had like extra time and and whatnot and we moved in plenty of time, but it was like, oh my gosh. That pressure of like, we have to find something.
Yeah. We have two kids. We have a dog. It's not like we can. Up and move, you know, so quickly. And then school, my son was starting school, so what school district were we were gonna be in? Oh yeah. Anyway, so we're all settled in now , and now we're just diving into the house projects, which is, you know, something we actually really enjoyed doing
Yeah, that's awesome. So, uh, but glad the weather is starting to get nicer. Just cannot wait for that full on spring and summer. Uh, yes. Warmer months. So I'm [00:03:00] ready for it. . Uh, but today we are super excited because we are welcoming a mom and daughter duo and they're joining us to share their experiences with Leader Dogs for the Blind.
Lexi works
Christina: as an occupational therapist at a local hospital, but her most important job is being a mother to Morgan and their older son, who is a sophomore at Purdue University. She enjoys spending time with family, walking and caring for their two dogs, hiking, gardening, live music, and traveling. And we also have Morgan and she's a junior in high school and plans to study biology or psychology in college and then get her master's degree in genetic counseling.
She enjoys singing in her high school's concert choir. Indianapolis Children's Choir. She also enjoys hiking, riding her tandem bike, traveling, listening to podcasts, and trying
Leslie: new foods. , we can only hope this is one of her favorite rides, podcasts. But, uh, thank you both , Lexi, and Morgan for joining us today.
We're super excited to have you here. Um, and I was hoping we can start out [00:04:00] with Morgan. Could you mind telling us just a little bit more about yourself and kind of your, uh, relationship with Leader Dog? Um, .
Morgan: I first went to the virtual summer trip in 2021, and then in 2022 I went to the t O M program. in June and then also at June I went to the Summer Champion person.
Leslie: Oh yes, you were back to back. I remember that. So she was here for youth o and m, which is a newer program that we have to offer, which we're gonna talk about a little bit more, but then quickly came back also almost, was it even the week later? I think. Yeah. I least, I
Morgan: was home for.
Leslie: A week , and then she was back again, uh, for camp.
Mm-hmm. , which was really great. And so, Lexi, I'm curious, you know, you brought, and you came with your daughter the first time. Can you explain a little bit about what youth o and m is? Yeah, sure.
Alexi: So Youth o and m was just the most fantastic program. So it gave me, as a parent, an opportunity to come [00:05:00] and really kind of learn side by side with Morgan.
So I was able to learn more about o and m, learn more about the skills that Morgan already has and the skills that she still needs to work on. It was a great opportunity to just observe. To ask lots of questions of Morgan's o and m instructor. It was wonderful that she had the same instructor kind of assigned to her for the whole week.
So it really just opened up great communication and you know, everything. I'm still blown away that everything was completely taken care of. Every detail, you know, the airfare, the hotel, the rental car meals, just you know, at no cost to our family, which. Phenomenal. So yeah, it was just a really
Leslie: fantastic program.
It was super exciting. So this was the first time that we had what we're calling youth o and m, and one of the biggest differences between youth o and m and our camp and our regular o and m program is that this program brings in a [00:06:00] support person. So you, Lexi, and your daughter Morgan came together. , you actually stayed in a hotel versus staying on our campus.
Um, and everything was still covered. Meals, I believe you have in the rental car, hotel. Mm-hmm. , everything completely covered by Leader Dog, but it was kind of like a two track program. So there was a track for the supporter person or family member, and then a track for the, the youth. O and m, um, or the student.
So, uh, I'm curious because, uh, Lexi, you and I, I got to meet you, well, all of you while you were here, , um, and Lexi, we did some, some blindfold trading, and can you mind, you know, telling us what, what your thoughts were about that? Yeah,
Alexi: that was really valuable. It was the first opportunity that I had had to experience mobility, at least try to experience mobility, the way Morgan experiences mobility, and it was very helpful, you know, to kind of.
Get to experience the challenges that a person [00:07:00] who has blindness or low vision faces, you know, and just the chance to really use a cane for the first time. You know, with my vision, you know, occluded, that was just, it was very helpful to kind of get a feel for what Morgan was gonna be working on during that week.
Christina: Yeah. And Morgan, I'm curious, what was it like for you to have your mom there with you?
Morgan: I think it was helpful to have her there. like we've got done at 3:00 PM so every day. So if she wasn't there then I don't know what I would've been doing. , like we had time to spend together, which was really
Leslie: nice.
Morgan, do you feel like it was helpful for your mom to get kind of a new perspective on what you go through daily on a daily basis? I think so.
Morgan: Like she got to work her kid under blindfold and dog under blindfold, so she got to experience the two tools. I'll be.
Leslie: Absolutely now and in the future. Right.
And I think it's [00:08:00] so helpful. And Lexi, part of it too was not only the blindfold training, but also observing Morgan and kind of watching her when she's out in her o and m lessons, talking to her o and m instructor, and understanding, you know, what you can do to help when you're out traveling together.
Yeah, definitely.
Alexi: That was a big
Leslie: part of it. Very helpful. And then, you know, another piece, um, about this program that's pretty unique is that you have an opportunity to talk to other parents and support people. So kind of building a little bit of a support network, meeting other parents and kind of sharing experiences and things that have worked well, things that maybe haven't worked so well, and the struggles and and successes.
Have you kept in contact at all with any of this other supporter people?
Alexi: Uh, unfortunately not. Not a lot Initially. , I did keep in contact a little bit with one of the other mothers of the team. Mm-hmm. , I think, you know, life just gets, gets busy. gets hectic, but knowing that I have that contact, you know, and, and I do have people [00:09:00] I can reach out to, you know, if something were to come up and, and the same with them, we kind of definitely left the lines of communication opened.
You know, I think we, we. Kind of have that common bond now of, of being, going through that experience together. So I think it's nice to know that I, I have people you know out there who know exactly what I'm talking about and experience. You know exactly what, what I did. So if things come up in the future, I know I could definitely reach
Christina: out.
Yeah, that is amazing to just. those people and you know, they're probably, you guys probably don't even live in the same areas. Um, and I'm curious how, cuz this was a pilot program for us and we're gonna do it now in June, July and August this year for a full week. Mm-hmm. , how did you guys hear about Leader Dog and this pilot program?
Well, I heard
Morgan: about it cause in 2021 I was researching summer camps to go to, and then at camp we talked about coding programs a lot [00:10:00] and. So that's how I got interested in going to Leader Zones
Leslie: for o m. So Morgan, I'm curious, what would you say are the biggest differences between youth o m and then teens?
Summer camp? So the
Morgan: biggest differences I think are that, and summer camp, we're not focused on om that much. Like it's a piece of it, but most of it's just like having fun and bonding with new people that share, yeah, share experience with. and o and m training. We do get some of that like bonding experience, but it's mostly focus on learning
Leslie: new skills.
Absolutely. I think that's a great way to put it. Camp is so much more fun. Not that youth o and m wasn't great. You learned a lot . Um, did you o m was very fun. . Yeah. Okay, good. Well, I'm glad they were both . Yes. The goal for campus definitely to be. So did you feel like you were more comfortable? Cuz now for camp you came and stayed on our campus and you were by yourself, so your mom wasn't with you.
Do you feel like you were [00:11:00] way more comfortable coming to camp because you had come to youth o and m previously? I think
Morgan: that it was very helpful to me cause I had had that experience of having to figure out routes in a new environment than I'd never been in before.
Leslie: Absolutely. And camp, uh, it was so much fun.
Do you want us to share your, uh, nickname during. Sure. , do you wanna tell us about it? ?
Morgan: Um, so one of the stretchers, um, Barry gives nickname to everyone in his group. ? Yes. And he said that when I was focused, I would just look on my face. And he told me laser because of it.
Christina: Yep. Laser.
Leslie: Laser. Cuz she get super focused.
Like you put a task in front of Morgan. Yeah. And she is on it. And so I think too, right, one of the first days of camp we got to Lions Bear Lake camp and uh, Lapeer and they do like low ropes courses and different things. Oh yeah. And one of 'em was, they were walking kind of on a tight rope and they had kind of ropes hanging down to use as they [00:12:00] were walking across.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. and Morgan had her eyes on the prize, man. She was, Messing around. She was gonna get to that other end and it was so, so cool to observe. And she was laser focused so it stuck not so long. .
Christina: There we go. That sounds like a berry thing to do.
Leslie: Give nicknames. Yes. We had Barry on previous. And, uh, Barry has a way of making everybody feel like they're his absolute best friend immediately.
Yeah. And even the campers on the bus from the airport, they all get back and he's got nicknames and inside jokes and stories, and I'm like, I missed a half hour bus ride, but I missed a lifetime. . Right. I'm so jealous.
Morgan: This year I'm flying to Champ and I hope they're even specifically
Leslie: Yeah, that's right. Cuz you um, Lexi, you drove Morgan in so you were able to drop her off for camp this year cuz you and your husband went on a little bit of a vacation during that time. That's right.
Alexi: Yes, it was, it was a lot of fun. So any parents who are listening, if you're [00:13:00] contemplating, you know, a little trip while your kid is, uh, at Camp , so would highly recommend, uh, Northern Michigan.
Beautiful .
Christina: Oh. I love, I used to live in northern Michigan, so I'm sure there is lots to do, especially during summer. Um, but we also have like our applications open right now for camp. Mm-hmm. and Youth o and m. So if anyone's hearing this at the moment, Definitely head to our website and check out the applications because
Leslie: yes, get those in quickly.
And I will say for the o and m, the youth o and m application, you just simply apply for o and m, like our regular o and m program. And then by putting your date on that, that will automatically kind of put you into the youth o and m category where we would reach out to you for that program first. So if interested in youth o and m, apply for o and m off the Leader Dog website.
If interested for camp, apply for that as well on the Leader Dog website. But both program. actively filling up right now. Yes. And Lexi, I guess,
Christina: what advice would you give like any other parents who might be [00:14:00] considering, you know, they're hearing that they might wanna apply, sending their child to, um, you know, leader Dog, either for youth o and m or on their own for summer camp?
Leslie: I would say
Alexi: definitely do it. Do not hesitate. It has been. The most beneficial experience that I can think of that Morgan has had, you know, thus far. And, and for me as a parent, I mean, I really feel like it was life changing definitely for her during the youth o and m, especially kind of seeing her confidence build, you know, day to day with her training and just, you know, feeling kind of my, some of my own worries.
Her future and you know, her, the level of independence, a lot of that just kind of went away, you know, because I just, I was able to see that she's gonna be fine, you know, she's, she's gonna learn these skills. There are lots of support out there. To help her. And as a parent, you know, there's nothing better than that.
You [00:15:00] know, seeing your kid really excel and, you know, gain confidence and skills that they're gonna need for their life. So I, I say don't hesitate, you know, send them to both if you can, you know, do OM training, go with them and then send them back to camp so that they can have fun and have that chance to bond.
Mm-hmm. with other teams that, you know, are in similar situations.
Morgan: And I've kept in contact with almost everyone from. After. Before he left, we set up a big group chat on our.
Leslie: That's awesome. Morgan loves Leslie that Leslie's
Christina: face is beaming right now. She like loves, she's loving everything you're
Leslie: saying. I do.
I think that's the entire reason why we do these programs is so that everybody can make connections. So both for youth o and m and for, for teen camp, it's just meeting other people who are like you going through the same things. Mm-hmm. and having somebody you can text or call and, and talk about what's going on.
But also like this last year, every year of campus. Great. And I didn't wanna say that, that there's a favorite, but this was such a good [00:16:00] group. It was 14 kids from all over the us although we do accept, uh, Canadian applications as well. We just didn't happen to have any Canadian campers this year. Mm-hmm.
Um, and oddly enough, we had 12 girls and two boys. Yes. And we were kind of nervous about that dynamic and it was wonderful. Yeah. Like you guys were so great. Mm-hmm. and Morgan, one of my memories, uh, from camp, which is one of my fondest memories, is I think it was almost the last night of camp and most of the group was there and you all wanted to take a photo and you realized one camper was missing cuz they had gone to bed.
And you all said, you know what? We'll wait. We'll wait till the next morning to take the photo. I know I'm gonna cry thinking about it, but , I mean, what a
Morgan: great, I think someone ran and do them like . I think someone ringed a room and like, Hey, come here .
Leslie: Wake up . I just love that. Yeah. You know, nobody was left out.
It was inclusive. Everybody was there. And, and also, um, Morgan, one of my favorite things about camp is the, the talent show and how supportive everybody is of one another and the talent. Oh my gosh. The [00:17:00] talent. It was so fun. How can I come to summer camp? Oh my gosh. I mean, I know I'm not a teen . You know,
Christina: every time I hear about teen summer camp, I'm, or they send me pictures and I'm like, man, why can't they just invite me to come take the pictures?
Leslie: It is by far one of my favorite weeks. Morgan, do you wanna tell us maybe a little bit about the zombie apocalypse during camp? What?
Morgan: Ok, so we're gonna flip in the two teens of seven and. So we first started out in the basement in this like little apartment thing. Um, . That's lots great video.
Leslie: Yes,
Morgan: it does.
Um, we've watched this video and it, I think it was our first flu, and so we had to like, go around Tampas and find the flus, which were sometimes in braille, sometimes like videos. We had to, um, shoot these lights to like avoid the zombies getting us , .
Leslie: There were so many different components. It was like an escape room in this apartment, [00:18:00] in the basement, which sounds creepy, I promise you.
It's an apartment we use for training, um, to see how the dogs behave in a home setting. sounds very creepy, . Um, but yeah, it was an escape room and so you guys had to work together and some of it was in braille, some was video, some was large print. So it was accessible kind of to everyone. Um, it was so, so cool.
And then at one point, you know, yes. The whole idea right, is that there's zombies kind of, and we have to get the, uh, the formula or something to, to save everybody. We could save later on. Yeah. Yes. From the zombies. Did
Christina: you guys save Leader Dog?
Leslie: It was tough, but we got there. But at one point, so the campers are on our conference bike, which is a seven person bike.
It's very cool. Mm-hmm. . And then we had team members who were coming out from like the, the, um, pond area and acting like zombies. Yes. So they were like moaning and dragging. It was raining. Oh. And it was raining Morgan and poor Barry was the one that was responsible for the bikes. So there was. Everybody else was kind [00:19:00] of dry.
You know, we're only outside for a minute. Poor Barry was outside for hours waiting for each group. He was stopping. What? Oh my God. I did not know that. It was so, so funny. Um,
Morgan: and my team got in like 20 minutes before the other team.
Leslie: man. I think I was with the team that really struggled. . Man, it's so hard.
20 minutes is like a long time. It was. It was intense. It was very hard. Um, and actually the podcast was part of it. They had to find an episode of the podcast and I think Christina. Yeah, we did. Yeah. You had to listen for something. I can't remember what it was. Oh, I remember
Christina: when I think when. This APO apocalypse?
Yes. If I can say that word. Mm-hmm. was getting created, they had asked me like, Hey, is there like something, and I can't remember what it was.
Leslie: I think you were talking about um, tech, um, accessible technology or so, I don't know. It was, it was a good way to intro the podcast though, cuz they had to find it.
Morgan on your Victor reader track. Yes. We. Which was cool. So [00:20:00] like the, it really incorporated so much different technology. They had their Victor Reader tracks by Humanware, which is a GPS and also like a Victor Stream on one side. So they can do a lot of things with it. Um, But yes, overall it was just absolutely wonderful.
Um mm-hmm. very, very fun. And, and so Morgan, that was one of my favorite moments. Oh, good. Okay. Well, that , that is, you know what, Morgan, nobody ever says that. Everybody always says the dog days their favorite. Well, My
Morgan: dog day was my favorite. Okay. I did, I did really like the other day too. Yeah.
Leslie: Okay. That's, you know what I, I appreciate that.
That's awesome. Um, so I am curious, Morgan, what would you say to anybody who's maybe thinking about coming to camp or thinking about coming for a youth o and m? What would be your words of wisdom? I would
Morgan: say, um, if you're thinking about doing it, um, just take the leaps and go for it. and it's really fun.
I'll be back in the summer to be a [00:21:00] counselor. Oh,
Alexi: I'm
Leslie: sorry. Don't we both listen to each other? We're just super excited about that. . Uh, so what does that mean to be a counselor Morgan? I'm not
Morgan: really sure yet, but I think it means just like being a leader at camp. helping people gain their confidence. , that's
Leslie: exactly what that means. Uh, being a, uh, junior counselor is such a great opportunity.
It's offered to, um, campers who we feel like have those leadership skills, who have been to camp before and are returning, and we just kind of have almost like a little higher expectation. Right. We're looking to you to be the leader of the group, to make sure everybody's included, um, in joining activities and maybe let us know if anybody's feeling down mm-hmm.
or. Not involved or things like that. So just a little bit more responsibility. It's a big job and I think that's really cool. You're gonna be wonderful in that role. I'm excited. Yeah. We also sometimes will have a senior counselor, which is somebody who is [00:22:00] no longer, um, 16 or 17, so they're older, so they couldn't come as a camper.
Yeah. Um, but it's a great, uh, another opportunity for leadership for volunteer hours, uh, to just kind of come back and be that role model. You know, I think it's so important to have mentors and role models in life, and this camp is a great opportunity to kind of meet some of those individuals. That is super
Christina: cool.
Yeah, I don't think I knew that. I didn't, yeah.
Leslie: Yeah. I learned something new. Probably the last couple years we've been virtual. That's true. And so we really haven't had any junior or senior counselors because we've kind of, you know, yeah. Not had camp basically, but, so Morgan, you joined virtual camp, I guess I didn't realize that too.
So can you tell us the, you like, I mean, virtual camp versus in person? In person is
Morgan: definitely a lovely phone . Yeah, like . But virtual was definitely fun too. I met a lot of people and I still stay in contact with some of the Uber, Facebook and stuff.
Leslie: Love that. That
Christina: is [00:23:00] awesome. Yeah. But we no longer do
Leslie: virtual anymore.
We aren't. Nope. That was just kind of fill back. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, it just like everything else during that time, it's like everybody needed to connect, everybody needed additional resources. Mm-hmm. to meet other people. Um, and so virtual camp was great while it was running. Um, but now, yeah, we can be in person.
We want everybody to come fill the campus with, with. Teens and I want it to be super loud and crazy and us to interrupt meetings because we're chanting and doing different things. I love camp. I love it. Oh Morgan, I know, I know. This was supposed to be about youth o and m and we're really going hard on camp.
I apologize. I get so worked up and excited about it. Um, but Morgan, one last thing about That's okay. Camp. Do you wanna tell us about table wars? Cuz it's also one of my favorite things at camp. Oh, okay.
Morgan: So the first day when they all get there, um, at. Um, there's a magic ca that we all spit around and we got sorted into our houses, which were had to do with Harry Potter houses.
It was awesome. [00:24:00] But we're dog themed, and so we were split into these four tables, and every day we had to be at breakfast by 8:00 AM and the goal was to get everyone at your table there first.
Christina: Ooh. So, uh, you're running out at
Leslie: 7 45. Oh my gosh. We're gonna be first. They're like at the doors. We have to open doors.
Competitors . Yeah. At the same time. And hope we don't get trampled. Oh my gosh. It's intense. But what it does is it creates leadership, it creates time management skills. It's holding people accountable. They're knocking on doors, man, you're at my table. You better be up. You better get ready. It's time for a meal.
Christina: 5:00 AM like,
Leslie: Hey, we only got two options. Exactly. So you know what US instructors are not doing. Knocking on doors and calling people is. It's smart move. It's genius whoever thought of it, and this year it is, we incorporated this kind of like Harry Potter theme, but it was like a magical cane that sorted you to your table,
Honest to God. Yeah. The On M team is so creative, [00:25:00] like they have taken camp to a whole new level. It was incredible and I can't remember some of the table names, but super fun. Griffin Paw. Oh,
Morgan: Griffin. Um, sl.
Leslie: Rin SL
Morgan: and Raven Dog. I don't. Raven Dog. Raven something.
Leslie: Oh my gosh, that's great. You've got a great memory, Morgan.
That is awesome. .
Morgan: Uh, no, it was Griffin dog and Raven.
Leslie: Paul. Yeah, maybe that was it. I see , super fun. Just, I dunno, super, super fun. It was really fun. Fun. Lots of really fun things. Um, and of course, so it's hard to compare youth o and m to camp because nothing is like camp, right? Yeah. Camp is a whole nother level.
Mm-hmm. . But
Christina: youth o and m brings that
Leslie: supporter. Yes. And you get the skills.
Morgan: One thing that we do in common with your OEM and camp is we get to have a dog for a few hours or.
Leslie: Yes. And that's a huge piece of it, right? So anybody who's maybe thinking about a guide dog, [00:26:00] it's really good to get your hands on a dog.
Yeah. And really walk with a dog and understand mm-hmm. , is this something I really want? Yeah. Because so many of our students are younger, uh, teens. You know, a doctor maybe tells 'em, oh, you need a dog, or an aunt or uncle or parent is like, Hey, get a dog. Get a dog. It's gonna fix everything. But they're not understanding that that's gonna be that teen's responsibility to care for.
Dog. Uh, so really building that understanding. Lexi, I'm curious when, um, dog day and things like that were coming up, were there any myths that were busted for you or anything that you didn't really fully know about having a guy Jet that was cleared up during that time? Let me
Alexi: think back to Morgan. I will tell you Morgan had already educated me pretty well.
in addition to laser focus, this child
Leslie: does her research . That is great. So
Morgan: she had already provided a wealth of
Alexi: information about, about having a guide dog and, and kind of what that means. Um, I think what was really eyeopening for me is when we, um, were able [00:27:00] to do the tour. of the, you know, the kind of the leader dog facility, the, the training area, the, the breeding area, and just really getting that behind distance information of everything that goes into breeding and training these amazing animals.
That was just very, very eye-opening. I, I definitely learned a lot about the process and just, I think had a whole new respect for. how involved it really is and how special it is that, you know, people have the opportunity to get a dog like this that can really change their lives. It was, that was very eye-opening.
Leslie: Absolutely. I, I, that's such a good point to kind of end on here, is that there are so many people involved in the organization, from volunteers to donors, to team members, and the whole life cycle of a leader dog. And it's just absolutely incredible from, from the beginning to getting our clients matched with a guide dog and then.
You know, living their best independent lives. Mm-hmm. , that is awesome. I seriously [00:28:00] wanna thank you both so much for taking the time out of your day to join us and share about Oh, your experience with these two programs. It has been so much fun. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for
Alexi: having me. Thank you for having us .
Leslie: Of course.
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